THE ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD TO COME
[p. 225] THE ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD TO COME
Reading, Revised by F.E.R.
Hebrews 2: 1 - 18 When it speaks of the world to come not being put in subjection to angels, is there an allusion to the law being given by the disposition of angels?
FER I think so. It is important to see that the world to come has come into view in the way of testimony, not in the way of dispensation; the same is true of the kingdom.
WM You mean we have the light of it?
FER Yes, “the world to come whereof we speak”.
GR How does it work in the meantime? What is the value of it?
FER The value of it is that faith is in the light of it as an existing, though unseen, order of things — and in that way we are affected by it.
JC Was it that the time was coming when everything would be set right?
FER Yes.
WM This is the age of the law and prophets.
FER Yes, dispensationally, the age to come undoubtedly pointed to the kingdom, but the Lord speaks also of this age, “Whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age nor in the coming one”.
JP I suppose if we were in the light of the world to come, we would be delivered from the present world?
FER I think that is the effect of it.
WM The world to come must occupy a larger place in Scripture than we are accustomed to give it.
FER It occupies a large place in this epistle and really in the most part of epistles; all is viewed in [p. 226] relation to it, not in relation to the present world. For instance, the expression, “The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”, has properly reference to the world to come.
JSA You mean by that God will be displayed in that character in the world to come?
FER Yes, God will be displayed as the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. The. kingdom is the kingdom of the Son of His love.
JSA But though the world to come is not actually in display, all that really applies to it is established before God in the resurrection of the Lord.
FER Or at all events, in His session at the right hand of God.
JSA So that in that sense it is a reality, though not a displayed thing.
FER Quite so.
JP Otherwise you could not be in the light of it.
FER It says here, “we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour, that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man”. Jesus is crowned with glory and honour.
WHC Do you mean by being in the light of it, the realisation of it?
FER You must first be in the light of it, that is, in the light of the glory of the Lord. That is where the christian’s soul needs to be.
JC Will you explain what you mean by being in the light of it?
FER The Holy Spirit has come down to bring the light of it into our souls.
JP Would not this scripture express it, “God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ”?
FER Quite [p. 227] so.
JC Would you say the Old Testament saints were in the light of it? They sought a better country.
FER No, they had some things in detail as promises, but they could not be in the light of a glorified Christ or the kingdom. They felt that their portion was in God; they had the promises and embraced the promises, and it may be they spelt out certain features of the world to come.
GR Abraham sought a city which hath foundations.
FER Exactly, he sought a better, that is, a heavenly country, but it was all in prospect.
G.R. Is it not that now?
FER No, because you are in the light of what is.
JP The foundation was laid at the cross, and the kingdom was established when the Lord went to the right hand of God.
FER In this chapter you have the world to come, the subjugation of everything to the Son of man, in fulfilment of Psalm 8. We get in chapter 3 the house of God, “whose house are we”; in chapter 4, the rest of God; in chapter 5, the High Priest called of God; in chapter 6, the immutability of God’s counsels, and Christ entered in as Forerunner; in chapter 7, the introduction of the better hope, by which we draw nigh to God under the Melchisedec priesthood; in chapter 8, the better covenant; in chapter 9, perfect purgation; in chapter 10, boldness to enter into the holiest. None of this is anticipation, but all forms part of the world to come, and will stand good when that is displayed.
WM The analogy between God’s ways with the Old Testament saints and with us is remarkable. God does not give up His thoughts.
FER The first chapter brings in the throne of God and the mercy-seat.
RSS I do not understand that in the first chapter.
FER God has in these last days spoken to us in [p. 228] His Son, purgation of sins having been accomplished. That is the mercy-seat.
RSS You have said the mercy-seat was where God communicated to Moses.
FER The point of communication is now the Son; then afterwards you have the throne, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever”. Every thought enumerated in chapters 1 - 10 connects itself with the world to come.
JSA And being in the light of the world to come these things are true to us.
FER It is not that you anticipate them, but they are present to you.
WM He “gives us now as heavenly light what soon shall be our part”.
RSS I think what struck a good many of us on Friday night was the way in which Scripture is connected with the world to come, not with heaven exactly. It was a new thought to me, but, as you have stated, we have very little scripture as to the eternal state, and a great deal as to the world to come.
FER The fact is the epistles are occupied with the establishment of christianity, and christianity is not in heaven. Christianity is down here upon earth.
JSA I suppose there will be those in heaven who never were christians. I mean Old Testament saints.
WM Do you connect the world to come with God’s counsels, or is it simply brought in because of the present scene of death?
FER I think the world to come represents the moral triumph of God over evil.
JP If we get that distinctly in our souls we shall see it must necessarily have a large place in Scripture.
FER The fact is that man gets six days, and God gets the seventh. That is the world to come.
JSA I think you have said also that from the moment sin came in everything was taken up by God in reference to another world and another Man.
[p. 229] FER That comes out remarkably in chapter 11. From the time that sin came in saints were being instructed in some way or other in detail as to the world to come. In Abel we see the foundation principle of the world to come, that is acceptance by sacrifice. Then in Enoch we get translation. That is the heavenly side of the scene. Then in Noah salvation through judgment. All these truths came out in shadow before the flood. Then in Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob we get the promises, and in Moses the destruction of the world power.
WM Is the world to come a necessary link between earth and heaven?
FER In the world to come, from the fact of everything being put under the Son of man, you get the connection between heaven and earth.
JSA I suppose that moral questions once having been raised in this world it was necessary that all should be solved according to God, and then the scene can be dismissed and another entered upon.
WM That involves the judgment-seat of Christ.
FER Which is what may be called the final act of the solution.
JP If it were not for the world to come it would look as though Satan and evil had triumphed.
FER But the world to come is the triumph of God. It is set forth there.
JSA It is also a scene of life out of death.
WM Then in preaching the gospel do you have in mind the world to come, not what people call heaven?
FER Man gets no gain in the present world by believing the gospel.
WM He gets the light of heaven.
FER He gets inheritance, not possession. Inheritance is not possession. It is a title. A man is justified and gets the Holy Spirit as the earnest of inheritance. In justification a man is approved of God for the world to come, not for [p. 230] this world.
JP You come into possession at the day of redemption.
FER Quite so.
RSS I suppose it was specially fitting that this subject should be taken up with the Hebrews who had their portion, as it were, in this world. And now the apostle seeks to occupy them with another world, and the Spirit of God would do that with us.
FER God had opened up to them a door of hope when they had lost everything by the crucifixion of Christ, on the ground of the immutability of His counsel, and now they had fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us.
WM When the apostle wrote to the Thessalonians about being delivered from the wrath to come, did he mean the infliction of wrath consequent on the establishment of the world to come?
FER Wrath comes in in view of the establishment of the world to come.
JP It is not that they were delivered at the moment, but they were waiting for the One who delivered them.
RSS Is that the judgment that will come on this world?
FER Yes.
RSS What do you mean that in preaching the gospel you have in mind the world to come?
FER God is acting in view of that. He is justifying man, that man may rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. Not that he may settle down here. In this chapter we get that God is bringing many sons to glory, it is not simply that they might not come into judgment.
RSS What is the glory of God in that connection?
FER I think it is God’s display of Himself in His triumph over evil, and that will be in the world to [p. 231] come.
JC It would be the glory of God then that would lead you to preach the gospel rather than the salvation of the sinner?
FER A man who is preaching is in the communion of God’s mind, who would have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth; but every christian has the glory of God in view as the great end.
WM I suppose it is much on the line of what you have said, that we do not need Christ as our righteousness for this world. We need practical righteousness here, Christ is our righteousness in view of the world to come?
FER Yes. Abraham got nothing in this world by righteousness, but it will be everything for him in the world to come. The same is true of us, too, only we have the grace of God coming in and justifying, and thus the kingdom established; and at the same time the glory of God made known. The two overlap in our case.
JSA Strictly speaking, title to heaven is independent of the question of sin.
FER That comes out in Ephesians; we get our place in heaven unfolded before a single word is said about sin or righteousness or anything of the kind.
JSA One has often used the passage, “Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light” — that is not heaven but the world to come.
FER That is inheritance.
GR And God is light, we are clear before God. We are meet for God. I begin to see that the scriptural line is better than ours. Some do not grasp the thought in connection with the righteousness — that we do not need Christ as righteousness for this world, but what we need here is practical righteousness.
FER You want the breastplate of righteousness in regard to the world. I am not anxious to be [p. 232] counted righteous in regard to this world, but am accounted righteous for God, and for the world to come.
GR And we are that in Christ now.
OO'B What does it mean, Christ is made unto us of God, “wisdom and righteousness”, is not that now?
FER It is now, but I do not think it is in relation to this world, but to the world to come. We have righteousness really now, but it is in order that we may enter into the calling of God.
GR That is, it is before God and not before man.
FER We need the breastplate of righteousness before man.
WM I suppose you do not speak of your justification in relation to the world.
FER It does not concern the world in that sense; what they test me by is not my profession, but my practice. The witness that I give to the world is practical righteousness.
WM Would you say if a man were actually justified he would be out of this body altogether?
FER If he were actually justified he would be relieved of death. By the calling we pass out of death into life. We are not actually out of death, but we enter into the calling of God now.
GR Is it not a fact that there will be a great multitude who will be saved by the blood of Christ who will never go to heaven at all? I refer to Revelation 21. “The tabernacle of God is with men”, that is, it is on the new earth they get their place and portion.
FER Apparently so.
OO'B Did you mean those who pass from this earth into the eternal state?
FER Yes.
EA How do you know they are never going to [p. 233] heaven?
GR Because it is on earth they are having their eternal portion. As far as I see in Scripture, the blood of Christ does not give title to heaven, though it clears us before God suitably to God’s glory.
OO'B What does give you title to heaven?
GR The calling of God, as far as I understand.
OO'B Give me a passage.
GR “Bringing many sons unto glory”, and “where I am, there ye may be also”.
PHF Would you say a few words more in regard to the difference between the world to come and heaven?
FER The fact is, the actual expression “the world to come” means ‘The habitable earth to come’; it properly means the Roman earth. The Spirit of God uses the world to come as taking in everything that is put under the Son of man, and that is not only things on earth but things in heaven. It is the accomplishment of Psalm 8, that is, the exaltation of the Son of man, all things being put under His feet.
WHC Would it be right to say it would have a heavenly character, and that there will be no distance between heaven and earth?
FER Connection between heaven and earth is established in the heavenly city and Israel.
JP It is sin that has interrupted the connection. I suppose, in the thought of God as expressed in the scripture, the earth is never dissociated from heaven?
FER Enoch is typical of the church which is translated without dying.
JSA I think the expression ‘world’ used here is that used in the beginning of Luke 2, the whole world shall be taxed, and again in Acts 17, that God would judge the world; that shows it is not heaven.
WM Would you say it is a principle of God, when He creates and brings things together, [p. 234] that even if spoiled by sin He never abandons His original thought?
FER Quite so. Scripture begins in Genesis with heaven and earth, and at the close of the Revelation the apostle says, “I saw a new heaven and a new earth”. We according to His promise look for new heavens and a new earth.
JC The temporal and spiritual sway will be under the Lord Jesus.
FER Quite so, because He is God and also the Son of man. You see the devil has corrupted man, and when God comes in, the triumph of God is set forth in man. That is the way God answers evil. Psalm 8 contemplates that Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, is crowned with glory and honour in order to bring redemption in, and that everything should be put under His feet. He has the supreme place above, and the power of evil is to be cast out of heaven.
JLJ Would you say it has reference only to the thousand years?
FER Quite so, just as the Lord speaks of this age and of the age to come; and the prophets spoke of the kingdom. When the Lord speaks of the coming age it is of the millennium.
RSS I think every christian’s heart responds to what we are having just now, that the Lord Jesus who has been rejected in the world will get His place in the world to come.
FER He comes in under three titles, Son of David, Son of God, and Son of man; each title having its own significance. When He rode into Jerusalem on the ass He came in as Son of David, He claimed His father David’s kingdom. When the Greeks who came up to the feast desired to see Him He speaks about the Son of man, and then, in connection with the resurrection of Lazarus, He speaks of Himself as the “Son of God”. You get the thought [p. 235] of the Son of man coming out in this chapter, “we see Jesus ... crowned with glory and honour”. The world to come is put under Him because it is based on redemption, He has tasted death for every man.
RSS As Son of man is the Lord spoken of in connection with universal authority?
FER Yes, and the subjugation of evil. He is crowned with glory and honour, and all things are put under His feet.
RSS I think the Lord speaks of Himself in connection with His rejection, as Son of man; why was that?
FER Being rejected as Christ, He speaks of Himself as the Son of man, a title connected with universal dominion, but through suffering; that is, in order to take up that place of universal dominion He must go through the path of suffering, because the world to come was to be based on redemption. He must pass through sufferings into the glory of the world to come. His glory as Son of man is in abeyance, “we see not yet all things put under him, but we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour”.
JSA The idea of ‘the Christ’ was more Jewish, and having given up that He speaks of Himself in the wider glory term of Son of man, but through suffering.
WB Will you tell us a little of what is meant by heaven; I think some of us are not clear yet.
FER I suppose heaven is the abode of God; I do not know much about it.
RSS The Father’s house is in heaven.
FER Yes.
RSS And that will be our place, will it not?
FER I believe so, and the hope that you get spoken of in Hebrews is heaven.
PHF But that is very different from the expression, “Heaven and earth shall pass away”.
FER The Lord speaks there of what is material, so also in Peter, “The heavens being on fire shall be dissolved”, etc.
RSS And yet through all eternity will there not be heaven and earth in a material way?
FER There will be new heavens; I think things in their present form and order will pass away, but Scripture speaks of new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness resides.
Ques Will you speak a word in connection with Acts 26: 18, especially in reference to inheritance; is that with reference to Christ as Son of man and the age to come?
FER The thought of inheritance is clearly brought out in Ephesians 1 in connection with the heading up in one of all things in Christ, “In whom also we have obtained an inheritance”, and then the Spirit as earnest of the inheritance.
Ques Would you say a word further as to eyes being opened, our being brought out of darkness into light; is that the light of which you have spoken?
FER Yes.
Ques And “the power of Satan unto God”, what is that?
FER The gentiles were in idolatry, and I think they were brought out of that into the light of God.
JP That is, that in the experience of the Thessalonians you get a sort of sample of how they turned to God from idols.
FER Yes, the gospel took effect with them.
Ques So in the word ‘sanctification’, are we set apart there in view of the age to come?
FER God set apart to Himself a remnant of the Jews when the crisis arrived and they came into inheritance, and the gentiles came into inheritance with them.
WM Would you say that besides being in the light of the world to come we have the Spirit of [p. 237] sonship which connects us with a scene far beyond that?
FER Sonship belongs to heaven and to the sanctuary; but you have the light of the world to come in your path down here; that is, you have the consciousness that Christ is crowned with glory and honour above all evil, and the moment of display is only waiting for the power of evil to be broken. “The God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly”. Satan will soon be cast out of heaven.
JSA I think it is a wonderful thought, that not only has the Lord Jesus His place in the heart, but that God, who has been dishonoured through man, gets glory through the Man of His own counsel; everything is for the glory of God.
FER If sin entered into the world by man it is put away by Man, and now all the glory of God is set forth in Man.
RSS I think in connection with our brother’s question as to heaven, are there not in the world to come two spheres, the heavenly and the earthly?
FER Yes, but there is another point connected with heaven, and that is that heaven is the seat of wickedness; it is the abode of God, but at the same time the seat of wickedness, for the devil is there.
EA In the age to come will heaven include the abode of God?
FER You get another thing in connection with the world to come, and that is the holy Jerusalem, the Bride, the Lamb’s wife comes down from God out of heaven, and the throne of God is there; it is the dwelling place and expression of God. It does not remain in heaven, but it comes down from God out of heaven, and connects itself in that way with the earth.
EA Would it be right to say that the age to come embraces the universe?
FER I think so. That comes out in the next [p. 238] chapter, the universe is the house of God. The tabernacle was a type of the universe, a pattern of the world to come.
WM Would you say the principle of the world to come is grace?
FER Grace is reigning, and the universe becomes in a certain sense the house of God. God fills all.
RSS You say the tabernacle was a figure of it?
FER We are told that Moses was faithful in all God’s house, and God’s house was a figure of all things. He that built all things is God.
WHC Is it in that sense that God will fill all things?
FER Yes.
JC In Revelation 21 it is new heavens and a new earth; will man occupy the earth?
FER I suppose so, but we know very little about it. The tabernacle of God is with men, and therefore it is a clear case that there are men upon earth.
WM Is the light of the world to come intended to act on our individual pathway?
FER I judge so.
JSA What about the heavens being the seat of wickedness, what consequences are there practically to us?
FER We have to contend here with spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places; Satan is in heaven, not upon earth, but he is the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.
JP So the war in Revelation 12 is in heaven.
FER And the result is that Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven.
JSA It is important because it shows there is a positive satanic power to oppose the saints entering into heavenly things.
RSS How does that power work?
FER [p. 239] Satan raises up special men, and there are systems here which are satanic — superstition, rationalism, etc.
RSS How would you say this operates in connection with ourselves?
FER I do not know about ourselves, but there are many evils which may affect christians. We have escaped in a sense from Babylon, but there are things which may corrupt those who have escaped. For instance, infidelity and rationalism come in to affect those who have escaped from Babylon.
JP It is remarkable that all the great leaders of rationalism are Protestants.
FER Yes.
Ques What is rationalism?
FER The bringing of the reason and mind of man to bear on God’s revelation. Their principle is that Scripture is to be construed according to rules that apply to literature.
JP It is saying “we see”.
JSA The right of private judgment has tended to rationalism.
Ques I want to ask in connection with Satan being cast out of heaven, and what you referred to in Ephesians, as to connecting it with 2 Corinthians 12: 2 — paradise and the third heaven; how do you connect the two together?
FER I think the wicked spirits are in heavenly places, but I have a strong impression that the third heaven is where wicked spirits never penetrate. The Lord said to the thief, “This day shalt thou be with me in paradise”. I do not think wicked spirits enter paradise.
WE Is the Father’s house paradise?
FER You would not think of the thief and the apostle Paul being caught up to the Father’s house.
OO'B Does not Ephesians 6: 12 apply to us? Have we not to [p. 240] do with that?
FER I do not think the rendering is quite right. We wrestle against the spiritual things or influences of wickedness in the heavenly places. We do not wrestle against the wicked spirits. We have to do with the effect down here. There are influences which are abroad in christianity. We have escaped one evil, but may fall into another.
RSS I think it is interesting to see how such a company as this is affected by the devil’s power in heaven.
FER Are you not? I know I am affected by the influences about me. We cannot be in the world and be insensible to the influences about us, because there is no influence abroad which does not find some element in me to answer it. If you get rationalism, there is some element in me that answers to it. So too with superstition, which is abroad and ruling undoubtedly in a great number of people. There is some element in people that answers to it.
GR Is that the point in Numbers 19? You are passing through a scene of death?
FER Quite so.
OO'B My difficulty was how we could be in the world and not be affected by those influences in it.
FER People are affected by them if they do not fight them.
WM Do you think Satan is behind the fear of man?
FER I do.
Ques How do you overcome the fear of man?
FER By the fear of God.
JSA We are always in danger of getting into formalism, and that will soon lead on to those things of which you have spoken.
FER Rationalism is the human mind acting. In Scripture there are many things which the human mind cannot understand.
Ques Then when you say, “we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities”, etc., it is on earth?
FER We do not want the armour in heaven. The shield of faith is not needed in heaven. But you do want the armour very much down here.
JLJ How can we get them down here?
FER By taking them.
JLJ What is the way to take them?
FER Everything I have accepted in faith has to become a reality morally. You begin with valuing such things as truth and righteousness, etc. Then these things become realities to you; you are formed by them morally, and you can stand thus against the wiles of the devil.
GW Is the conflict in Ephesians entered on till we cross over Jordan in our experience?
FER No. Till you cross over Jordan, what you are in conflict with is the flesh.
WM I suppose the conflict had its application only to the Ephesians.
FER It was only presented to them.
JC Those who have purpose of heart for God are the ones who will meet with these difficulties.
RSS I think some of us have had a feeling that there is a sort of supernatural power against us. For instance, if a christian kneels down to pray there is a power to hinder him.
FER I do not think that is the idea in Ephesians 6. It is the wiles of the devil; the spiritual things, not the material things. We have not to meet flesh and blood, but spiritual influences; all that is of Satan, and that can acquire power over man. He brings in superstition and the like for imaginative people, and infidelity for people who have a great deal of confidence in the human mind. These latter will be very likely affected by rationalism and infidelity.
OO'B A question is asked, if the conflict in Ephesians 6 [p. 242] is individual.
FER I think the armour has to be taken up individually. It is a question as to whether you are prepared for it.
WE But do you find yourself in company with others?
FER Yes. You do not find yourself alone, but you take up the armour individually, If you are fighting you will find that others are prepared to fight, too.
WHC It would involve suffering and exercise.
JSA Do you think the light of the world to come has any effect on that conflict?
FER I do not think you are prepared for the conflict till you have entered into the calling of God. If you are to come out from God you must first have gone in to God. It is the calling that carries you in to God, and then you come out to fight the enemy here.
In the next chapter we get the thought of the house of God. The very fact of God having set up His house here means that He is going to abide. God will dwell. Jew and gentile are built together for an habitation of God by the Spirit; it is only provisional for the moment, but it certainly points on to the time when God will dwell. The tabernacle pointed on to that. You are companions of Christ, and God’s house, and in chapter 4, “We which have believed do enter into rest”.
JSA And the heavenly city not only has its place in the world to come, but also in the eternal state, in the new heavens and the new earth.
FER It is in the house that you get the world to come anticipated. We have the light and the testimony of it, and really it is made good to us now.
RSS Going back a little; you gave us some very good thoughts as to the Lord as Son of man and Son of God. What is the thought of Him [p. 243] as Son of God especially.
FER I think as Son of God He has come out from God. As Son of David He springs from David. As Son of man He springs from man. As Son of God He makes God known.
RSS Does He come out in a special way as Son of God in connection with His rejection? For instance, Psalm 2 speaks of Him, “Thou art my Son”.
FER Yes, and as a matter of fact it was not until the Jew had declared himself to be utterly perverse, and had really sent a messenger saying, ‘We will not have this Man to reign over us’, that the testimony comes out that Christ is Son of God. Yet the Lord declared all along that He was Son of God. It comes out all through John’s gospel.
WM The formal testimony came out with Paul.
WHC Would that be bringing out an entirely new relationship?
FER I think so. It is the foundation of it.
RSS We do not know Him as Son of God exactly in connection with meeting our need as sinners.
FER No, but very much more as revealing God and God’s will. It is on that line.
RSS That is beyond the question of salvation.
FER I think so. You get at the close of Luke’s gospel, “thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day; and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem”. It is Christ who suffered and rose again. It is in that connection. Then the truth of the Son of God comes out, and you get the revelation of God’s nature and God’s will in the Son of God. “God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”. This is the revelation of God’s nature and will.
GW Do you connect eternal life with God’s will, and sonship with His purpose?
FER [p. 244] I think they are two distinct things. Sonship is purpose, but sonship refers to heaven. It is in entering into sonship that we come into eternal life here; but I do not connect the two exactly.
GW You do not connect eternal life with purpose.
FER Yes, I would. I think resurrection, in which eternal life comes out, was in the purpose of God. Resurrection comes out in a sense to maintain the rights of God; it is in resurrection that God judges; but then resurrection comes in another light, in connection with Christ, and that as God’s triumph over death, and brings in eternal life. God sets death aside, and brings in eternal life in the power of resurrection. You cannot apprehend eternal life except in connection with resurrection, because death is not yet set aside as it will be.